Date
April 1st 2009 (first Wednesday of April)
Time
6pm - 9pm
People's Notes from the Event
San Francisco Wiki Wednesday
April 1, 2009
at CitizenSpace
hosted by Dreamfish
bookstore by Book Passage
collab notes: http://etherpad.com/4K0UeWbb5V
Timeline
18:00 Andrew Lih on Bay Bridge, coming from Berkeley
18:16 Andrew still on bridge?
18:18 Andrew in the house!
19:41 Pizza!
Encarta's death yesterday
Jimmy announced Wikia Search dead the same day, though
"don't consider Wikipedia the template for wiki" in general
GlobalVoices, Ethan Zuckerman - wiki experiment was scaled way back, due to not having vandal cleanup crew
LA Times Wikitorials op-ed wiki disaster
Million Penguins - "traditional publishing company thinking that the wiki magic will just happen"
"bento box writing" - modular, not a big narrative arc
Q: how many people experienced another wiki before Wikipedia? A: about half
German wiki different culture: it's much more picky about what content is appropriate in an encyclopedia than English Wikipedia
Cool map of middle east blogosphere by John Kelly et al., Al Jazeera and ar.wikipedia are the info sites trusted by disparate parties
Currently, en.wikipedia DB monthly dump takes more than a month to complete. Ariel et cie. working on a fix, massive parallelization.
article writing & revolution ("euphoria of writing"), at some point turns into article maintenance
@bastique: now lots of quality initiatives
ariel: expects to see as other languages get their wikipedias filled up, we'll see a massive influx of those articles as they get translated into english
japanese internet culture influenced by 2chan, which is anonymous. results in japanese wikipedia editors not siging in, editing anonymously
another japanese difference - unlike other top 20 wikipedias, they don't have big spikes in articles due to bot creation
"the community, being emergent, reacts -- it doesn't predict well"
@bastique: "Streisand effect"
describing flagging - anonymous not-logged-in readers don't see most recent edits, just flagged version. de wikipedia already has flagging. en wikipedia has split consensus on what to do. looks like en will get "flagged protect" -- flagging on hot pages, but not all pages
Wiki Stories from the group
pete kaminski: long-term discussion / problem-solving in wiki (Socialtext internal wiki)
eugene kim: back in the day group demonstration: vandalize a wikipedia page, then explain how wikipedia works, then refresh page -- it's reverted! more recently (march 2008), tried changing info about Ethiopia, but it didn't get reverted.
eek q: there's a significant amount of content on wikipedia that is narrative, though.
lih a: the narrative is still bento on rails -- there's a fixed format to the article that is still modular. real narrative arc doesn't happen. but it might become an issue -- more analysis, historical context
Dragons flight (Robert): Abuse Filter experiments - seems to have a lot of potential to stop much of commmon types of vandalism
jerry q: worst experiment on wikipedia?
andrew a: quick polls - the "night court" of wikipedia
jerry q: are wikipedia policies creating"a small operating for civic discourse"?
andrew a: seeing small things around the net, like requests for citation on blog comments
pete forsyth a: oregon wikipedia community realizing through collaborative process to develop proposed legislation
jay: engaging more people: wysiwyg vs. wikitext social marketing, behavioral engagement
andrew q: how many people use MediaWiki mmarkup day-to-day? (a few hands go up) do you like it? "it's horrible"
lih talking about ward: "actual markup to make CamelCase is negative"
Danny: Wikia wysiwyg editor, handles 80-90% of formatting (ed. note from petek: cf. Socialtext wikiwyg, PBwiki wysiwyg, MediaWiki+FCKeditor)
Hashtag, TweetChat, etc.
#WikiWed
http://tweetchat.com/oauth/room/wikiwed
Twitter Nicks
(i) indicates Identi.ca nick as well
Peter Kaminski: peterkaminski (i, but currently inactive there :-(
Cary Bass: bastique (i)
Jon Davis: shakataganai (i)
Jerry Michalski: jerrymichalski
Aaron Gotwalt: gotwalt
Tiffany von Emmel: tiffanyvonemmel
Andy Denmark: adenmark
Andrew Lih: fuzheado
Pete Forsyth: peteforsyth (both Twitter and Identi.ca)
Planned Agenda
* 6:00p-6:30p Arrivals & Hellos
- 6:30p-7:15 Guest Speaker Andrew Lih, author of The Wikipedia Revolution. See his Salon.com interview.
- 7:15p-9:00p Attendees decide :-) / Follow up conversations on Andrew's work, open time, socializing, webtools show 'n' tell, wiki seminar, etc.
RSVP List from before the Event
Please put your name below:
- Peter Kaminski
- Johannes Klose
- Paul Loper
- Homework Help
- Eugene Eric Kim
- iFaqeer (Will try to make it. Anyone for carpooling from Mtn View/South Bay?)
- Pete Forsyth
- Glen Yamakawa (I'm a nooB to Wiki's. I'd like to learn more and/or see how you guy's party)
- Mike Linksvayer
- Tom Mayer plus 1
- Marie-Anne Haour
- Jerry Michalski
- Jon Staenberg
- Betsy Megas
"not convinced this open content experiment would work"
the community, being emergent, reacts -- it doesn't predict well